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Setting TPS and ISCV

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#1 ·
Did my TPS and ISCV

Here's how:

You're gonna need besides the usual tools, tuneboy and an appropriate torx bit with a recess to access the TPS 'security screws'. Might as well go to the hardware store and get 2 normal hex bolts M4x10 and washers, which you can use to replace the 'security torx screws'. You should be able to undo both bolts with a 7mm open end spanner without having to pull out the throttle bodies in the future.
Note: I have discovered that two allen bolts of the same size as the hex bolts might be easier to loosen/tighten with an allen key than a spanner for the bolts. However the allen key would need the short bit shortened down to be able to fit between the bike's frame and the rear TPS allen bolt. This would enable you to loosen the allen bolts to adjust the TPS in future without dismantling anything from the bike.

You need to pull off the tank and airbox. Remove the 3 small manifold pressure sensor rubber hoses and throttle cables.
On the left side of the throttle bodies, the cable from the TPS needs to be disconnected, as will the the plug going into the ISCV on the right side of the manifold.

Loosen the 3 circlips (no need to loosen completely) on the inlet manifold and lift off the throttle body.

Stick 3 pieces of rag in each inlet manifold just in case you manage to drop something in there.

You can now use some carb cleaner or similar solvent to clean up the throttle bodies and the butterflies, especially the edges of the butterflies.

Remove one at a time the 2 torx screws on the TPS and replace with the M4x10 bolts.

Start up Tuneboy (not tune edit) hook up to bike, and go to the sensors page.

Reconnect the TPS and ISCV cables (plugs) and switch on the ignition (you're gonna throw a CEL due tank disconnected, we can always clear it later in tuneboy) and click on the 'Reset ISCV' button on the botton LH of the screen.
Note TPS volts in the sensors page which should be .6v. If it is not then loosen the TPS bolts and turn the TPS till you get .6v
It's a bit fiddly 'cause as soon as you tighten the bolts the voltage seems to go off from .6v.
.58v to .62v should be OK.

Now check the clearance between the ISCV speed control lever and the throttle roller as in pic below
It should be .5mm (about 20 thou for the unmetricated).


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If the clearance is out then you need to adjust the ISCV nut till the gap is .5mm
This is the nut:


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Once the gap is set then click again on the reset ISCV button in tuneboy and note the new voltage of the TPS. The voltage should now increase by .15v +-.05v. What all this means is that if you previously managed to nail .6v on the TPS anything between .7v and .8v is good. If the voltage is not between those values then screw the ISCV adjuster nut in or out until it is.

Note: Tuneboy scrolls the value of .12v as the increase. The Triumph manual for the 1050 Speed Triple states that this value should be .15v.
I have checked this out with Wayne McDonald (Mr Tuneboy) and his reccomendation is to follow the Triumph manual (.15v) rather than the scrolling figure of .12v in Tuneboy.


Click on the 'reset ISCV button' again and don't touch anything for 15 seconds. When all is done click on the 'reset adapt' button.
We need to reset the adaptions again properly as described further down.

Switch off ignition, remove whatever you stuck in the inlets to prevent bits falling down there, and reassemble everything in reverse order.

Note: Be certain you tighten the throttle body clips properly right up to their stops when you re-assemble, otherwise you might get an air leak in the manifold which would kinda screw up this whole exercise. Also some SILICONE (or rubber) grease on the manifold and airbox 'velocity stack' (trumpet) rubbers helps quite a bit with seating and re-assembly. And future dismantling.

But before you stick on the airbox you could now take this opportunity to balance out the throttle bodies using the Tuneboy screen below:

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To balance the throttle bodies, the tank needs to be connected, so a near empty tank makes the job easier.
The tank needs to be laid across the frame so use something soft like towels or rags to protect frame and tank.
I would say an extra pair of hands to hold the tank would be fairly essential.
The airbox needs to be off to get at the balance screws, but the temp sensor on the airbox needs to be connected to the loom so a nearby stool or chair to hold the airbox next to bike would be nice.
The pressure sensor can just hang anywhere safe, no need for it to be screwed on the airbox.

Warm up the engine. If you like spraying decabonising chemicals (eg Mercury PowerTune) down the inlets now is the time to do it.....

Switch off engine.
Before you start balancing, check how many turns each screw needs to be seated fully (just in case you do not manage to balance off so that you can return them to original settings) Then unscrew each one about 1 or turn or so from fully seated and start balancing from there.
Start engine. Tuneboy seems to lag a bit when you start turning the balance screws so wait a sec or 2 before making further adjustements, and occasionally blip throttle.
Also make sure you turn the correct screw, I suggest you have your laptop at the FRONT of the bike screen towards rear and you. I always make the mistake of adjusting no1 throttle body and wonder why I'm getting a change on no3, cause I always have the laptop at the rear with screen facing forward.....
Re revs I like to balance at my idle rpm whatever that is, with the engine warm. Once the throttle is opened balancing becomes irrelevant, as the bleed air past the screws becomes infinitesimal compared to the rest of the air going through the open TB's.
You balance at idle to get a smooth idle. If you like your idle at 2000rpm then ok balance at 2000 rpm.....me I like mine at 1000-1100 rpm so thats where I balance. Remember, always balance with a warmed up engine as balance does vary a bit between warm and cold.
Sometimes you get the balance spot on sometimes they're off a bit. If you can get the numbers within 5 or so you should be ok but do try to get them all similar.

When everything is in place you can use tuneboy to remove the CEL when the ignition was switched on with the fuel tank disconnected.
Might be a good idea to reload with TuneEdit the tune you were using previously.

Now we need to reset the adaptions properly,

1. After downloading new map successfully turn ignition off and then on again. Then turn off ignition after a few seconds.
2. Exit TuneEdit and open Tune Boy
3. Run Reset Adapt (after turning ignition on again). All the values on the screen change but here I don't
know how long to leave this reset running as after a few seconds (30 maybe) nothing more seems to be happening.
4. Start the engine.
5. Let it idle until Cl Thr adapted shows "Yes" as in pic below. It normally takes 10-15 minutes: (Your idle speed must be set at 1300rpm at 75.5 degrees celsius in the appropriate Tuneboy box otherwise Cl Thr will not show yes).
At least with the O2 sensor connected, this is quite important to follow to avoid problems.

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6. Turn off ignition
7. Disconnect cable from bike.
8. Go for a ride




The usual disclaimers apply.
'Ave fun.
 
#6 ·
Wallcrawler said:
Thanks for that wonderful write-up! Ignorant question now loaded and ready to fire; what would the symptoms be that would motivate a person to do this on their bike? Just a routine maintenance?
Rough/erratic/high idle speeds and low speed driveability issues.
 
#9 ·
Wayne, you described my symptoms exactly.

I was worried that the tune I picked up from this site just wasnt suited to my bike (or my bike not suited to the tune).

I'm going to try this tomorrow, and I'll let y'all know how it goes.


Y'know, when my bike is idling really rough (its an '08), and I reverse twist the throttle hard, the idle smooths out slightly. TPS? we shall see. Thanks for the write up Avi8or!
 
#11 ·
So, I performed this as indicated through the write-up above and tuneboy instructions, and I encountered a couple problems.

First, it didnt really fix my idle problem.
This may be because I adjusted the ISCV nut to increase the voltage from 0.6 by 0.12 (as stated by tuneboy after hitting the reset iscv instructions). At first, I adjusted the nut to give a gap of 0.5mm, but this would create an increase in voltage of about 0.2+. The 0.12 voltage increase means having a gap larger than 0.5mm....didnt have a feeler gauge to measure exactly... I'll probably redo this to see if it works.

Second, after reloading the tune, I was unable to balance the throttle bodies as described by the write-up. I followed the instructions and let it idle for 20 minutes, but my "Cl Thr adapted" never turned to "YES".

She still idles rough.
2008 S3 with Mivv GP, plugged SAI, devTune 20210a, new plugs (just in case), 6.5k miles.
 
#12 ·
Stick to the guide I posted. Do follow the tuneboy scrolling instrutions about which buttons to click, but the scrolling voltages seem to be different to what the Triumph manual states.
Did you adjust the TPS to get .6v?
Adjust nut to get .5mm clearance. Get a set of feeler gauges. They're not expensive and will be useful for other tasks around the bike.
Click again the reset ISCV and voltage should now rise to between .7 and.8v.
Click one last time on the reset ISCV button, then reset adpation button.

Re balancing the throttle bodies, do it with an engine at normal temps. You did use the throttle body 'bleed screws' to get all three cylinders as closly matched as possible?

If you did all the above correctly then maybe your problem lies elsewhere.
Mine would idle erratically, sometimes at over 2000 rpm and occasionally so slow that the engine would die. Doing the above solved completely my idle problems. I found the TPS voltage to be out. And the ISCV gap WAY out.
 
#13 ·
thanks man. I'll try again tonight.

gonna RTFM this time, ha.
I'll post up the results soon.


[EDIT]

It worked! fuck yes smooth idle FINALLY. I got that .5mm gap set, and indeed it was perfect at about .15-.16 V above the 0.6 set at the TPS.
Balancing the throttle bodies was a bit more difficult. After finishing up the with the stepper motor I put the tank back on, hooked everything up, and she would start but die in 5 sec. For some reason, the bike would not run without the airbox on.
I reinstalled everything, airbox too, and found that the TB werent that out of sync anyway so I just left it.
1st: 457 2nd: 450 3rd: 450
 
#15 ·
AdvCole said:
Balancing the throttle bodies was a bit more difficult. After finishing up the with the stepper motor I put the tank back on, hooked everything up, and she would start but die in 5 sec. For some reason, the bike would not run without the airbox on.
I find it easiest to balance the throttlebodies while the throttle is rubberbanded to hold revs at 1500 to 2000rpm.

Otherwise the engine will stumbe at the edge of stalling and readings will jump all over the place.
 
#20 ·
In the end of 2008 i blew my engine...
The oil disappeard in less than 1800km, so the cranckshaft got seized..

In the beguinning of 2009 i bought from triumph-ant.co.uk a reconditioned 1050 engine.
This weekend finally get it running... but yesterday, after 90 miles of break in, the tensioner was spited out...

It seems that the guys from triumph-ant.co.uk forget to tight the bolts...

Now I have a piston kicking on the 1st cylinder exhaust valve.
Hope to get the engine opened again next weekend.
 
#22 ·
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hi, is this cap there, even without power? or is it there only when ignition is on?

just asking because I just assembled the throttle body today and noticed that butterfly's are little open, and there is no cap, the servo is holding the throttle open a bit. will it self adjust somehow when ignition is switched on?

"Remove one at a time the 2 torx screws on the TPS and replace with the M4x10 bolts."

damn, I need to take the throttlebody off again, i reinstalled the stock bolts. I marked the point of the sensor and just reinstalled it to the same position.

JT
 
#23 ·
The throttle is open up to 1,5% on cold engine to keep the idle elevated. It will close when the engine warms up. That resetting idle stepper sounds more critical than it really is.

There is no gap normally. The idle stepper controls the throttle to keep idle speed at the target value. That gap is only after resetting to determine the stop position of the stepper.
 
#24 ·
yes, I was thinking that there has to be some opening to let it idle.

so the 'reset ISCV' button pulls the stepper back.

usually these kind of settings are ok as long as the stepper has enough possible movement to control the idle, inside that are there is not much matter how it's adjusted. of course it's good to have it in right adjustment so it can open the throttle enough for cold starts.


little story about TPS setting. every TL suzuki owner is adjusting the TPS according to the manual. Put I noticed it made the bike little hesitant and lean in low revs. I adjusted the TPS by hand, just marked the starting point and advanced the TPS and took test drives to find the sweet spot. it worked much better with TPS adjusted maybe 1mm to advanced position(throttle opening is noticed earlier and it can also make the mixture richer). but i had lambda meter, and it didn't make it too rich.

so the throttle position sensor has lot of effect, same map may not work in two similar bikes just because another has TPS set incorrectly. But I think triumph thinks the TPS is never needed to be adjusted, just because it's so hard to get place anyway and mounted with security type torx bolts.

it's probably also depending on how good code the ECU has. easily it could have automatic sensing that what is the closed position and what is the 100% position, and it could adjust automatically and compensate any miss alingment or adjustment error.
 
#25 ·
i was checking the Tps voltage today. it was 0.62, not sure is it worth even to adjust it. one thing I noticed was that, when throttle is off, the tps % shows 1.7% open throttle. and at full it's 100%, I quess the starting point is ok.


also at the first screen, the full throttle shows 00. but maybe that is just normal. it's 100 but doesn't show it correctly? the sensor page shows it correctly as 100%.
 
#26 ·
.62v is within tolerance and I wouldn't bother to reset it.
I managed to set mine to .6v exactly after a bit of fiddling a few months back.
Checked it a few days ago and it was off by a bit and didn;t bother to reset it.
My bike is starting OK, idling and running great.