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    Front Wheel Differences

    Ok, I'd like to see if people with varying year speed triples could measure up their various parts for their front ends so we can see what would be necessary to swap front wheels. I currently have the oddball 03 wheel on k5 GSXR1000 front end setup and would like to switch to something that doesn't need axle and caliper spacers.

    If possible, take photos of your front end with and without wheel mounted as well as the different components like if you have a front wheel speedo or not, spacers, axle, etc and any important measurements like rotor outer diameter, hub diameter, bolt pattern, etc.

    Single-sided wheels so far are the same for all Triumphs to the best of my knowledge.

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    Re: Front Wheel Differences

    RaceComp and Decosse may be able to help here.
    Both seem to have a good idea of the varied differences over the years.

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    Re: Front Wheel Differences

    First off,

    Rear wheels are the same 97/04 they are 6 inch. 05/07 S3 have five spoke wheels they are 5.5 inch.

    97/01 Speed Triple and Daytona have a 25mm axle, 6 bolt rotors, speedo drive on the right.

    02/04 Speed Triple and Daytona have a 20mm axle, 5 bolt rotors & speedo drive on the left

    05+ Speed Triple and Sprint ST front wheel have a 25mm axle, 5 bolt holes for the rotors, the ST wheel and rotors will fit straight into a 97/01 fork set-up but it has no detent for a speedo drive.

    05+ Speed Triples use wider triple clamps so the rotors are off-set more, the rotors will only fit the wide triple clamps/forks of the S3 1050.

    02/04 S3 and Daytona rotors will fit a S3 and ST 1050 wheel and the axle is the same size as a 97/01 S3 and Daytona.

    25mm is also the same as Ducati and Ohlins; you can use Ducati S4R wheels or 998 five spoke front wheel and machine a spacer to fit the rear wheel.

    The range for ultra light wheels for Ducati is big!!! Retro fit a set of Ducati wheels to your bike. I have done this itís easy. The hard bit is making the spacer and pegging for the rear wheel. I canít find the picture though!!! I will try to find it later!!!

    Hope this helps.

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    Re: Front Wheel Differences

    Now THAT is a lot of great info!

    THANKS RaceComp!

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    Re: Front Wheel Differences

    Hey Dev, you know the score mateÖ.

    I like the swingarm from the Ducati 1098; it is a plate ally/cast version of the MV. Same wheel boss and brake set-up and length etc. Ducati use the same parts bin as MV and Aprilia etc. I like the MV wheels, nice and light and available on fleabay.

    Anything can be made to fit, if you have it on hand in your workshop and the kit to make it happen, itís real easy to chop and change. The 1098 is still in bits with the swingarm out (making a swingarm cover) Iím looking at the parts again!!!!! They are so light itís a worry!!!

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    Re: Front Wheel Differences

    Do you know the weights of the MV wheels?

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    Re: Front Wheel Differences

    Dev. No I dont sorry, but I bet they are lighter than the 1050 wheels.

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    Re: Front Wheel Differences

    I bet so too.

    Even the 3 spoke Triumph wheel is lighter. But not as good looking IMHO.

    Does anyone have the weights for the 3 spoke Daytona/S3 wheel. I'm just curious.

    For me, a magnesium wheel like the Stock 1050 wheel would be perfect.


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    Re: Front Wheel Differences

    Ok,

    Now the question is, what size is the k5 GSXR axle and spacer and would I be able to use a 1050 wheel with it. Nice to know my rotors will fit the 1050 wheel.

    Also, how does the 5.5 rear wheel change a 180/55 tire compared to my current 6"?

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    Re: Front Wheel Differences

    Interesting article on SportRider.com - http://www.sportrider.com/features/1...stone_tek.html

    Blackstone Tek
    Weight: front: 5.50 lbs.; rear: 10.38 lbs.
    Moment of Inertia: front: 217 lb. in2; rear: 304 lb. in2
    Price: $3400
    These five-spoke carbon-fiber wheels are easily the lightest 17-inch hoops in the test, and also have the lowest MoI of the 17-inchers. The front wheel, at just 5.5 pounds, is the lightest overall. Fabricated in South Africa, the carbon rim and spokes are bolted and glued to aluminum hubs (though magnesium hubs are available for even more weight savings). Fit is excellent. Our test rear wheel's cush drive was a bit sloppy, and while the wheels are for the most part magnificent, the outside of the rims appear very rough and unfinished.

    Carrozzeria
    Weight: front: 9.42 lbs.; rear: 14.02 lbs.
    Moment of Inertia: front: 421 lb. in2; rear: 587 lb. in2
    Price: $2180 ($1480 in black anodized finish)
    Formerly Hi Point wheels, these Carrozzeria forged aluminum wheels are made in the United States. The front wheel is a one-piece design, and has one-size-larger bearings with an internal spacer. The rear wheel has two bearings on the brake side, and bolt-on brake and cush-drive carriers. The rear wheel's spacers are held by dust seals, like the stockers. The machining on our test wheels appeared a bit rough; otherwise, fit and finish are good. The wheels carry the JWL (a Japanese quality standard) logo, and the hoops shown here have a nickel-chromium-plate finish, an additional $700 cost for the pair.

    Dymag Custom Carbon
    Weight: front: 7.30 lbs.; rear: 12.38 lbs.
    Moment of Inertia: front: 301 lb. in2; rear: 406 lb. in2
    Price: $3440
    Unable to supply a set of GSX-R1000 wheels in time for our test, MaxMoto sent ZX-9R Dymags as a substitute. The British-made wheels feature carbon-fiber rims glued and bolted to cast magnesium spoke/hub internals. Note where the weight and MoI numbers fall in relation to the other wheels, and you can see how important the rim weight is for inertia. The front hub is a single unit, while the rear has a bolt-on brake carrier. The cush drive is cast into the Dymag's hub, and a sprocket is supplied. While the wheels look beautifully made, our test front wheel was a bit wobbly-halfway to the normal service limit.

    JB-Power
    Weight: front: 6.86 lbs.; rear: 11.62 lbs.
    Moment of Inertia: front: 282 lb. in2; rear: 421 lb. in2
    Price: $2608
    Used by the Yoshimura Suzuki team, these Japanese-made forged magnesium wheels are among the lightest in the test, grouped closely with the other forged magnesium rims. The front wheel is fabricated in one piece, and the rear has a bolt-on carrier on the disc side-the cush drive is forged into the wheel with a special, 530-series sprocket included. A minor-but important-detail: These wheels came in the nicest, safest packaging. Finish on our black powdercoated examples is excellent, and they mounted up nicely to the GSX-R. The JBs are marked with the JWL stamp.

    Lightcon Twin System
    Weight: front: 11.64 lbs.; rear: 19.56 lbs.
    Moment of Inertia: front: 512 lb. in2; rear: 786 lb. in2
    Price: $1949
    Heavier than the stock Suzuki wheels, the German-made Lightcons are claimed to be stronger and more durable. Cast in two halves and welded together, our test wheels incorporate an SLC finish (Surface Like Chrome, an electrostatic-applied powder) that adds almost one pound to each wheel. The rear's cush drive is more substantial than most, and the front bolt-on brake carriers have blind holes that require special screws-included along with a sprocket. The wheels are marked with T‹V (a strict German testing standard), JWL and DOT approvals (though other required DOT markings are not present).

    Marchesini forged aluminum
    Weight: front: 8.82 lbs.; rear: 13.80 lbs.
    Moment of Inertia: front: 362 lb. in2; rear: 496 lb. in2
    Price: $1870
    Typically Italian, these Marchesini wheels are beautifully crafted as well as functional-they are among the lightest of the aluminum hoops, as well as having close to the lowest MoI values of that group. The front wheel has bolt-on disc carriers, and the rear cush drive has beefy nylon blocks as opposed to the small rubber donuts typical of most other aftermarket rims. The rear brake carrier is bolted on; valve stems and a special rear sprocket are required but not included. Fit and finish are excellent-our samples are gold anodized.

    Marchesini forged magnesium
    Weight: front: 6.54 lbs.; rear: 11.12 lbs.
    Moment of Inertia: front: 276 lb. in2; rear: 373 lb. in2
    Price: $2690
    Appearing almost identical to the company's forged aluminum wheels but powdercoated rather than anodized, these two examples highlight the differences a simple material change can make in weight, MoI and cost. As opposed to the aluminum Marchesinis, the front is a one-piece design; the rear, however, has the same nylon-block cush drive and bolt-on disc hub-the special sprocket and valve stems are not included. The Marchesinis are the lightest and have the lowest MoI of the 17-inch metal wheels in the test, just edging out the JB-Power hoops in both measurements.

    Marvic Penta
    Weight: front: 7.46 lbs.; rear: 12.16 lbs.
    Moment of Inertia: front: 327 lb. in2; rear: 437 lb. in2
    Price: $1820
    While cast magnesium was once the standard for aftermarket wheels, the two Marvic styles are the only such examples in the test (Marvic-forged wheels will soon be available). As you would expect, the cast magnesium wheels in general are slightly heavier than the forged magnesium hoops. The Italian Pentas feature five solid spokes, and are one-piece castings-no bolt-on hubs front or rear. A fully machined version (the Penta 2) is available. Fit and finish are outstanding (these examples are powdercoated; unpainted gold chromate is available), though the rear brake-side spacer is a bit thin and could mushroom over time.


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