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    Alright lads, give this one a try

    Nixon Final Custom 2011 Speed Triple.zip

    *** Started with the latest Arrow Lowboy(20465) tune as a base map***


    Speed Triple 1050 from VIN 461332 to 537880
    M4 GP Style slipon w/dB Killer(Stage 1)
    K&N Air Filter
    O2 disabled with AFR tables set to 13.5 across the board
    Exhaust Valve disabled
    SAI disabled and routed to crank case vent
    Cooling fan set to 100C
    Speed Adjust set to -5.9% to account for -1 countershaft sprocket
    Fuel up to E25
    Minimum 95 RON (89 RON/MON) fuel - Stock Advance tables

    Disclaimer, as with anything you find on the interwebs, use at your own risk and FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS AS LAID DOWN IN THE TUNEECU DOCUMENTATION!!!

    Make sure that you "Read" and save off a copy of your existing map, before you do anything else! I also recommend popping off the plastic cover on the back of the gauge cluster and unplugging your headlights, so that you don't draw as much power from your battery. Make sure the batter is topped off with a battery tender before starting. The last thing you want is to be flashing the new map and have the power drop and shut down and you hose things.

    That all out of the way...

    Mapping this bike can be a pain. TuneECU is great, and it is free, but it is not as easy as dropping in a Power Commander. Part of that is that you have to tune by trial and error. You do a sweep of a given range, and then you make educated guesses and trim the fuel tables with the TRIM tab. But to test it, you have to shut down the motor, send(download) the new tables, turn off and on, restart, and then do another sweep on the dyno. Wash, rinse, repeat. It takes awhile. With a Power Commander, you sweep, it Tune-Link makes suggestions, it updates on the fly and you sweep again and repeat till it is perfect. Once you have a target AFR, then you can go into the areas that you want and hunt for power, etc...

    Another fly in the ointment, is that the trim tables are not a percentage. They are supposed to be, but on this bike, they don't seem to work that way.

    On a Dynojet unit, each time you increase a cell by "1" or "-1", you have the effect of moving the AFR .1

    So if you wish to move the AFR from 14.3 to 13.3, you would enter a value of -10, and while it is not always an EXACT science, it does pretty much work that way in most cases.

    On this thing, we found out that the ratio is about 3:1. You need to put a 3 in the trim table to move the AFR .1 So in the above example, it would take a value of -30 to move the AFR from 14.3 to 13.3

    Again, might vary slighty from bike to bike, but this was what we saw on my bike, and it was repeatable and consitant throughout. We discovered this by making trim adjustments assuming it was based on % or something, and we saw spots where we trimmed +10 and so almost zero move on the AFR readings. So we started playing and found a consistent ratio that proved to hold up, and so our new trim values were based on that and verified and they held up.

    Total pain in the ass. While TuneECU is free, and I love it, if you really want to tune the bike with zero hassle, get a PC-V. LOL

    So, here is the result. The map info is at the top of the post, if you have a different VIN, you can copy the fuel tables into your map(make sure to post to ALL THREE fuel tables!)... I didn't play with ignition, but what settings I used are all in the above section.

    Last item, is the crackling on decel. We forgot to do that part, so I added fuel to the 0% area to richen that up a bit... I remember seeing an AFR of around 18 or so, when it started crackling and popping when you cut the throttle and let it coast down to a stop on the dyno, just as it does on the road. Those settings on 0% are what I guessed at and trimmed and committed, so you compare your map, try it out, change it, whatever. I will try and ride it later and see how it does, but it should be a good starting point.

    If in neutral, you rev it and it is slow to come back down to idle, then it is too rich, so back that area down to where it comes down to idle properly, but is still richer than the stock map, so that hopefully it will reduce the popping and banging a bit.

    Enjoy!

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    Nothin? People been clamoring for this... LOL

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    Does anyone around here even own a Speed Triple anymore?

    Frankly I'm surprised you didn't work with the timing. These engines seem to respond very well to about 3º of ignition advance in the upper RPM ranges. Of course then you'd have to start from scratch on the fuel tables.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crashmasterd View Post
    Does anyone around here even own a Speed Triple anymore?

    Frankly I'm surprised you didn't work with the timing. These engines seem to respond very well to about 3º of ignition advance in the upper RPM ranges. Of course then you'd have to start from scratch on the fuel tables.
    Yeah, at this point we were out of time and didn't want to get into the whole ignition thing. The last Triumph he had on his dyno was a Daytona, and they did the fueling and then the owner played with the timing and blew his motor up. LOL Not sure what he did, but my tuner isn't fond of Triumphs to begin with, and so he didn't want to open up a can of worms.

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    Well there's your problem. You can't go to a tuner who already has an ant-Triumph bias and expect to get a good tune out of them.

    You're in Freakin' Georgia. Why didn't you take it to Wayne Tripp? That fücker will iron it out and make it like a new bike, and he specializes in Triumphs.
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    Just when you think it can't get worse, Crash comes along and informs you that not only is the glass not half full, but it is stolen and contains a mix of horse semen, urine, laxative and viagra, right after you swallowed a mouthful...
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Houle View Post
    ...no ink and going baconless on your bacon cheeseburger is about the most rebelious thing you can do these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crashmasterd View Post
    Well there's your problem. You can't go to a tuner who already has an ant-Triumph bias and expect to get a good tune out of them.

    You're in Freakin' Georgia. Why didn't you take it to Wayne Tripp? That fücker will iron it out and make it like a new bike, and he specializes in Triumphs.
    Well for one, Wayne Tripp has not been in business in over a year I am told. I ran into one of his guys, Shane, at Barber last year at a track day, and he said that Wayne was closing down the business due to health issues. I have emailed him a few times since then, with no response. Wayne did my Daytona, and the results were great.

    The issue is more of dealing with TuneECU. It does a lot, but it is a pain in the ass.

    My tuner is a great guy. AMA mechanic, gets flown around the world to work as crew chief on various teams from the TT to Asian Grand Prix. He has tuned 15 or so of my bikes, personally, and the results are always stellar.

    But he doesn't use TuneECU a lot, and so it doesn't seem to go as smooth. He typically works with DynoJet, TEKA, and some software that lets him control Yamaha and Kawi stock ECU's directly... Bazzazz, etc... He has worked wonders for me, many times over the years. But Triumphs for whatever reason, possibly the software, never seem to go as planned.

    In any case, my bike is running great with the new map. I just figured that I would leave well enough alone and not mess with timing. If I would just spend the $300 and get a PC-V, he could have tuned it to perfection in half the time and called it a day.

    When I take my 1198 to him for a tune, I will be doing exactly that, even though I have a program similar to TuneECU for that bike, that does everything that TuneECU does, and also lets me clear maintenance minders. :-)

    Others have had good results with my last map, and this one is much better. Curious to see what you guys think.

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    That's news to me about Wayne. Of course he doesn't come around here anymore (someone pissed him off) and I don't hang out at 675.net enough to get the news.

    Of course that may have been just an excuse for him to play with boats again.
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    Just when you think it can't get worse, Crash comes along and informs you that not only is the glass not half full, but it is stolen and contains a mix of horse semen, urine, laxative and viagra, right after you swallowed a mouthful...
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Houle View Post
    ...no ink and going baconless on your bacon cheeseburger is about the most rebelious thing you can do these days.

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    I'll be giving this try as soon as I get home today!
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    Map Uploaded. Running 12 Minute Tune. Expect to hear from me shortly, otherwise I'm dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple View Post
    Map Uploaded. Running 12 Minute Tune. Expect to hear from me shortly, otherwise I'm dead.
    Not sure what a 12 minute tune will do with the O2 sensors disabled? And this tune should only be used with them disabled.

 

 
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