I live in an area where cops have nothing better to do than....

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Discussion Starter · Apr 12, 2007

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This was just made a high priority for local police... They go after ANYONE with an aftermarket exhaust of any kind. Give her a quick read and tell me what you all think.

http://www.qctimes.com/articles/2007/03/27/news/local/doc4609d94ca4282910725997.txt

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Devious2xs

· #2 · Apr 12, 2007

Unless they are going to set Db/DB limits, and issue meters, this is going to be very hard to enforce equally. I bet the AMA gets involved.

As to saying that "modifying" the exhaust is illegal, it will depend on what they determine is modification. Is replacing the stock silencer with a street legal part a modification? Or is this simly a reference to the emissions systems in the exhaust.

cheapbastard

· #3 · Apr 12, 2007

good reason to up and move to Kaaaaaang. ;D

"Under the city’s municipal code and state law, it is illegal to operate a motorcycle that creates excessive noise or has an altered exhaust system, according to Bettendorf police. The fine for each offense is $63.20."

Total bull shit! That just sucks, no altered exhaust systems? So it has to be stock? :violent1: :finger:

dfib

· #4 · Apr 12, 2007

Total BS! :finger:

If thats the case I want all the fucking riced out cages to get tickets too! And the better give my neighbor one too, that SOB is well know for early morning yard work, and I can't tell the difference between his weed-eater and the other neighbors civic! :devil:

Oh wait, no tickets here..... Papes maybe you ought to move an hour or so north! :drink:

G

Discussion Starter · #5 · Apr 12, 2007

No alterations accepted. Im going to fight the hell out of this if I get a ticket. :devil: I bought my triple with the Hindle installed and it doesnt not say anywhere on the pipe that it is not for street use. As far as the cops around here know the Hindle exhaust was a factory option for my 98 speedy. :finger: As Devious said they will also need a specific decible level for determining wether a bike is too loud. DFib, Wisc doesnt sound bad at all... at least I would be closer to Road America!

kcjones

· #6 · Apr 12, 2007

There was something similar to this going on in Stillwater, (close to where I live). I tried to find the article, but no dice. Hopefully that's a sign that it's going nowhere. When I read the article all I could think about was, it'll just be another excuse for cops to pull over sportbikes.

Spidey

· #7 · Apr 12, 2007

The only time that I would think they would really try to enforce db-levels would be during state inspections(depending on which state you live in). I know a lot of the Harley guys will remove their loud-ass pipes before state inspections and just put their stock ones on, because they know their shit won't pass. Cops on the other hand, I suppose if they really wanted to be dicks about it will just pull your ass over if they think your shit is too loud.

APtech77

· #8 · Apr 12, 2007

I love the " jonny law". Tell them to :finger: OFF!!!!

TheGuvnor

· #9 · Apr 12, 2007

This will only increase the amount of cases where riders will run from cops....

However, we do have an asshole here at work that removed his stock piples on his HD and it sounds like a freight train comming down the street...if he lived by me we would be having some words.... :violent1:

kcjones

· #10 · Apr 12, 2007

TheGuvnor said:
This will only increase the amount of cases where riders will run from cops....

However, we do have an asshole here at work that removed his stock piples on his HD and it sounds like a freight train comming down the street...if he lived by me we would be having some words.... :violent1:

Freight trains have noise restrictions too... ;D Don't ask me what they are though.. :

MrBiff2You

· #11 · Apr 12, 2007

Wonder if you could beat this on the definition of an 'excessive' amount of noise. Did they give you a Db limit?

In certain cities in SoCal (Redondo Beach, Laguna Beach) there has been an effort to silence the loud cruiser crowd but there is a specific Db level. The police have meters that check for sound levels. I just avoid those places although they are more interested in little johnny v-twin with an open exhaust. I don't think my CR exhaust would get their attention even without the Db killers as long as I don't spin it up.

In any event, it is pretty weak.

Sharpy

· #12 · Apr 13, 2007

That's a bunch of shit and I agree that they should be cracking down on piece of shit Civics with fart cans. Would be interesting to find out what type of bikes (ie HD's or sport bikes) are responsible for most of the complaints.

kjazz

· #13 · Apr 13, 2007

TheGuvnor said:
This will only increase the amount of cases where riders will run from cops....

However, we do have an asshole here at work that removed his stock piples on his HD and it sounds like a freight train comming down the street...if he lived by me we would be having some words.... :violent1:

Sneak over to his bike while he's working and stick a banana up his tailpipe.

No, no, no....I mean a real banana.....up the motorcycle's tailpipe. For real. It'll be funny when he rides off.

Trust me on this.

kjazzz

dfib

· #14 · Apr 13, 2007

kjazz said:
TheGuvnor said:

This will only increase the amount of cases where riders will run from cops....

However, we do have an asshole here at work that removed his stock piples on his HD and it sounds like a freight train comming down the street...if he lived by me we would be having some words.... :violent1:

Click to expand...

Sneak over to his bike while he's working and stick a banana up his tailpipe.

No, no, no....I mean a real banana.....up the motorcycle's tailpipe. For real. It'll be funny when he rides off.

Trust me on this.

kjazzz

You should enlighten us just a little more, I've had enough beer I want to go put a banana in my HD's tailpipe just to watch what happens..... :beer: :violent1:

kjazz

· #15 · Apr 13, 2007

Well for starters, when I say "trust me on this", frankly, I wouldn't trust me if I were you.

It's gotta be sorta funny though. Ya know hiding behind the dumpster waiting for him to start his bike up and blow banana pudding all over the place. It's the anticipation. It's gotta be a riot. I'd piss my pants waiting for him to gas it. Let us know how things go....

kjazz

J_DOGG

· #16 · Apr 13, 2007

98 db up here in NH.

They can't enforce something with no set guideline, any lawyer worth his salt could argue the case out. Heck you can even fight and win a speeding ticket when the road is posted with the speed. If they leave it based on a cops judgment call not one ticket should get paid and the local court system will get fed up with the influx of cases and set a true number like 98db... this is just harassment and the town should get sued accordingly when tickets are fought in court.

Don't count on the AMA getting involved, from what I have seen from them in the dirt bike industry. They don't care about your or your local town ordinances and in fact they don't care about riding areas closing out west left and right either. They only care about racing programs and sanctioned motoX tracks.

premier

· #17 · Apr 13, 2007

That's just hilarious. I feel bad for you.

But then again I guess it could be seen as a good thing if they honestly don't have anything better to do?

Devious2xs

· #18 · Apr 13, 2007

J_DOGG said:
98 db up here in NH.

J_DOGG - What distance? Is that a drive by, at idle, what rpm/speed?

Around here, on lakes and rivers, they recently replaced old unenforceable noise ordinances with more realistic ones. The problem is that they can only check noise at idle, 3 feet behind boats, and it is easy to pass - even though the boats are much louder when running at speed. Now they are trying to ban boats that exceed a given speed - almost impossible to do on waterways without speed limits.

They tried local noise ordinances for lawn mowers, cars, bikes, etc., but still have yet to issue meters and instructions as to how to measure.

greenbollocks

· #19 · Apr 13, 2007

I don't mean to generalize, but there is a helluva lot more sheer volume coming from an open pipe HD with a bonehead revving the motor at a stoplight or in a subdivision than any other type of bike with an aftermarket pipe. I personally would not worry about it unless I had an HD and a propensity to rev to satisfy my already delicate ego.

J_DOGG

· #20 · Apr 13, 2007

I stand corrected, see below... We are truley the LIVE FREE OR DIE state!!!

It was 98db for as long as I could remember now.....

In New Hampshire, for motorcycles, with NH RSA 266:59, Section III deleted from the law, the maximum threshold for noise can now be 106 dB. This level of noise is between the noise of a chainsaw and a loud rock concert.

I got this from a state site that clearly thinks changing to the 106db limit was crazy. Funny how the state can work when they want to.

sorry for the cut and paste but I'm at work doing the best I can for both passions.

MEASUREMENT
Specifically what did the legislature do to increase motor vehicle noise?
In terms of the 2004 legislation, enforcement of New Hampshire motorcycle noise control laws typically requires two simultaneous observations by two law enforcement officials: (1) the revolutions per minute of the engine standing close to the vehicle's tachometer, if so equipped; and (2) the decibel meter reading when measured 20 inches from the exhaust pipe at a 45 degree angle standing about two feet in back of the vehicle. To exacerbate the matter: (a) not all motorcycles have a built-in tachometer; and (b) not many law enforcement agencies equip their officers with an approved and calibrated "Society of Automotive Engineers Recommended Practice ANSI/SAE J-1287" decibel measuring device. This equipment is very expensive. The legislature deliberately did not appropriate funding to cities and towns to purchase the necessary equipment to ensure equal and effective enforcement protocols, nor did the legislature identify a method to determine the speed of the engine in the event that the vehicle does not have a working tachometer, nor did the legislature provide for the extra personnel to affect a proper ctitation, nor did the legislature set noise standards for cars and trucks.

WHY YOU SHOULD FIGHT A TICKET OF THIS TYPE, I fight and win speeding tickets all the time so this is a no branier for me.

What does this mean to you if you want a loud muffler on your car or truck?

Let's assume that you have your muffler replaced in New Hampshire by a qualified repair shop that claimed your new, but admittedly loud and "healthy sounding" muffler was "legal". You probably were not told that the legislature had abondoned all scientific measurements of the maximum loudness a muffler must comply with. Then, a law enforcement officer cites you for a loud muffler because in the officer's opinion your muffler is too loud. You go to court to argue your case. Because there is no way of measuring the lawful loudness of your muffler, the judge would need to render an opinion, a very subjective opinion, on whether or not you were guilty of having a loud muffler. What this means is that on the same day, with different judges, you could be guilty in one court and innocent in another. The question of fairness and equal justice under the law comes to mind. Unfortunately, this is exactly what the legislature voted for when it repealed NH RSA 266:59, Section III.

Will cities and towns enforce the new noise "Standard" in New Hampshire?

Probably not. When cities and towns try to enforce any motor vehicle noise citation, they will need to prove to the court that whatever "standard" they ticketed the operator for is backed by the law. Since there is no "standard" for cars and trucks in the law, this will be hard to prove when challenged in court. The legislature also did not appropriate any funds to purchase the equipment needed for enforcement either. Therefore, it is unlikely that any citations would be issued for noisy mufflers installed in any car, truck or motorcycle.

GOTA LOVE NH!!!!

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