Throwing Some Codes
Hi guys,
I have a wonderful 2005 S3 which I love dearly. That being said it has been running rough on idle, and during constant speeds. The issue seems to disappear while accelerating and only appear when the RPM's settle. It feels like the bike is misfiring on one of the cylinders when the issue is present. I tried to have a triumph dealer take a look and 3 weeks after the date they promised to hook it up they finally do. After discussing on the phone my options they send me a list of codes and implicilty suggest I get it out of their shop as they wont get it on the stand again for another few weeks. The codes are as follows:
This seems to paint a somewhat clear picture of what the issue could be (the fuel system), but I would also appreciate some advice and ideas from people who have worked with type of issue before. I will also add that I am also not afraid of investing time and money in the proper tools and parts to do it right (Tuneboy, new Injectors ect.). I would just appreciate some direction in what to get
I am planning to get her ready to take from the Boston area (where I am now) back to eastern WA this summer. I would very much like to make it there too. Thanks.
I have a wonderful 2005 S3 which I love dearly. That being said it has been running rough on idle, and during constant speeds. The issue seems to disappear while accelerating and only appear when the RPM's settle. It feels like the bike is misfiring on one of the cylinders when the issue is present. I tried to have a triumph dealer take a look and 3 weeks after the date they promised to hook it up they finally do. After discussing on the phone my options they send me a list of codes and implicilty suggest I get it out of their shop as they wont get it on the stand again for another few weeks. The codes are as follows:
- p0108 manifold absolute psi sensor open or short to 5v supply
- p0113 IAT open or short to 5v supply
- p0201-p0202-p0203 (all Injectors) circuit malfunction
- p0351-p0352-p0353( all Injectors again) injector malfunction
- p0460 fuel level circuit malf.
This seems to paint a somewhat clear picture of what the issue could be (the fuel system), but I would also appreciate some advice and ideas from people who have worked with type of issue before. I will also add that I am also not afraid of investing time and money in the proper tools and parts to do it right (Tuneboy, new Injectors ect.). I would just appreciate some direction in what to get
I am planning to get her ready to take from the Boston area (where I am now) back to eastern WA this summer. I would very much like to make it there too. Thanks.
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Thanks for the reply Dr-
I think I may have downloaded your manual already. As far as the hoses under the airbox goes, I have been down there 2 times already on my own previously trying to hunt down this issue. On my last disassembly I found a small 2-prong connector that had nothing attached tucked away below the injectors which I had taken note of. I was hoping the shop would handle this stuff for me but they seem to only have an interest in wasting time and charging me money. After seeing the codes though it could have something to do with p0108 and p0113 codes, maybe the sensor is not plugged in.
I do appreciate the advice on the tuning. I will do some research and purchase one of the programs and connectors tonight. As far as the injector system goes, the codes seem to suggest they are having issues and I will no doubt be taking the whole fuel system out this weekend for a look. It turns out a single injector is about $200 so I do hope there is another solution. I will keep the thread updated as I go.
I think I may have downloaded your manual already. As far as the hoses under the airbox goes, I have been down there 2 times already on my own previously trying to hunt down this issue. On my last disassembly I found a small 2-prong connector that had nothing attached tucked away below the injectors which I had taken note of. I was hoping the shop would handle this stuff for me but they seem to only have an interest in wasting time and charging me money. After seeing the codes though it could have something to do with p0108 and p0113 codes, maybe the sensor is not plugged in.
I do appreciate the advice on the tuning. I will do some research and purchase one of the programs and connectors tonight. As far as the injector system goes, the codes seem to suggest they are having issues and I will no doubt be taking the whole fuel system out this weekend for a look. It turns out a single injector is about $200
so I do hope there is another solution. I will keep the thread updated as I go.
Update: Still no luck with tuneboy. After a few hours of tinkering I got it to connect to the ECU twice. I have no idea why and was not able to replicated it again . Even when I was able to connect I was not able to load a map (even though it was the proper Keihin map) I would get a improper map error. Frustrating. I will try to reach out to support at some point in the future. I know a lot of people have had issues and I know the TuneBoy support is iffy but I do not plan on giving up.
My new valve cover gaskets arrived and I checked the valve clearances and was pleasantly surprised to find them all within spec. There was a small amount of carbon buildup on the pistons when I looked through the plug holes, not a concerning amount but I did try SeaFoam treatment. I ran her on 50/50 gas seafoam mix and found a small amount of the carbon left but nothing to write home about. Certainly would be more effective on an engine with more carbon buildup. I did however find a startling amount of slightly oily soot built-up in the SAI reed valves and system. Perhaps even enough to stop them from closing. I cleaned those out really well put her back together and she started right up. Same old problems persisted.
I have done quite a bit of reading on many threads and in the Service Manual and think I might be zeroing in on a potential cause. It seems that when the bike is on Idle, as well as a few other riding conditions, the ECU references the O2 sensor to try to determine a proper mixture for the engine. Now I only ever experience engine issues when at idle or while cruising at RPM's of about 4k-8k which is my reasoning behind the sensor being the issue. I even read that its common to disable it entirely through Tuneboy (if I could get it to work). I tried this test which I don't fully trust but it came back with my sensor being bad. Maybe worth replacing.
I start my cross country journey tomorrow with plenty of stops, I feel confident that mechanically she will make it. I just worry the toll that this poor running will have on the engone over 2000 miles. Thanks again for the support Guys.
-Will
. Even when I was able to connect I was not able to load a map (even though it was the proper Keihin map) I would get a improper map error. Frustrating. I will try to reach out to support at some point in the future. I know a lot of people have had issues and I know the TuneBoy support is iffy but I do not plan on giving up. My new valve cover gaskets arrived and I checked the valve clearances and was pleasantly surprised to find them all within spec. There was a small amount of carbon buildup on the pistons when I looked through the plug holes, not a concerning amount but I did try SeaFoam treatment. I ran her on 50/50 gas seafoam mix and found a small amount of the carbon left but nothing to write home about. Certainly would be more effective on an engine with more carbon buildup. I did however find a startling amount of slightly oily soot built-up in the SAI reed valves and system. Perhaps even enough to stop them from closing. I cleaned those out really well put her back together and she started right up. Same old problems persisted
. I have done quite a bit of reading on many threads and in the Service Manual and think I might be zeroing in on a potential cause. It seems that when the bike is on Idle, as well as a few other riding conditions, the ECU references the O2 sensor to try to determine a proper mixture for the engine. Now I only ever experience engine issues when at idle or while cruising at RPM's of about 4k-8k which is my reasoning behind the sensor being the issue. I even read that its common to disable it entirely through Tuneboy (if I could get it to work
). I tried this test which I don't fully trust but it came back with my sensor being bad. Maybe worth replacing.I start my cross country journey tomorrow with plenty of stops, I feel confident that mechanically she will make it. I just worry the toll that this poor running will have on the engone over 2000 miles. Thanks again for the support Guys.
-Will
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